Season 2, Episode 4: Report: 2023 College Football Season is "Make or Break" Year for Oklahoma State Coach Mike Gundy

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[00:01:39] Mr. Cody Stovall what we are going to be talking about is a little bit of Oklahoma State I'm not gonna call him okey light today just to be nice, but Just to talk a little bit about that it continues to be an outward flow of

[00:01:58] What you would expect to have been important players to this program albeit Some of them, you know, you would have expected them to be gone But in the last Well as of today you you saw them lose their fourth wide receiver in the last week

[00:02:16] to the transfer portal in John Paul Richardson making a transfer commitment to the Texas Christian horn frogs I'm going to bring in our guest Cody Stovall now Cody welcome to the show sir. Howdy. Howdy. How's it going brother man? Good good good, man

[00:02:34] I appreciate you coming on the show today. Absolutely. Yes, sir. That's on the thousand case stubs brother That's that's pretty good. That's pretty good You just you know when you're you're just you're growing right?

[00:02:46] You'll accept it the slow game as long as it's consistent and steady. So that's legit. Good job, man Man, it's been it's been kind of a wild ride. You know, it's we started kind of just talking

[00:02:57] Well sports in general then we went to more college football and the next thing, you know It was Oklahoma and college football mostly the big 12 so stuff like that and you know listen You've definitely been one of my favorite follows on YouTube as well

[00:03:14] I enjoyed going on your show a couple of weeks back and stuff But just to kind of get into some of this stuff that I catch a lot of a lot of flak for some of the stuff

[00:03:24] I have to say about Oklahoma State. I know you kind of do the same thing with OU It but it's just it's a fun thing back and forth, you know, we kind of mess with each other a little bit back and forth but yeah

[00:03:35] The thing is I guess When you start looking at this whole deal and this is something that we've talked about on my show a little bit in the past When you lose as many players and I think it's like 17 16 17 guys to the portal

[00:03:50] And and some of them you're losing. I mean we're talking about obviously Spencer Sanders being a big one I know he was asking to come back coach gun. He said no Or at least that's the rumor out there, right?

[00:04:03] Then you've got the last couple of days we're finding out that the defensive coordinator Derek Mason's leaving the program My question was you most likely most likely losing the program. Okay Well, my question would be is with all of these offensive players particularly, you know starting receivers

[00:04:23] You what are we at like three or four of your top six pass catchers from a year ago or from this past season That are no longer with the program correct and you're losing some of these guys, you know

[00:04:35] You had your top rusher Dominic Richardson now. He's that Baylor You know, obviously hadn't seen anything where Spencer is going anything just yet going anywhere just yet You would assume he'll end up on somebody's roster. I would think yeah

[00:04:49] It seems to be a lean in Ole Miss there, but you know, they've got the Jackson dart thing I was told I was told a little while back that it was gonna be Auburn

[00:04:57] But then Auburn brings in Hugh freeze and he freeze has different ideas and correct. So yeah So yeah, he supposedly circled the wagons while we know he circle the wagons. We know there was conversations

[00:05:09] supposedly yes, gunny has had already decided before that that we were moving on so Which is weird to me in view of the fact just to stay on Spencer Sanders for a second

[00:05:19] That's kind of weird to me in view of the fact that when you start talking preseason Even even in the early four or five games when they started off undefeated Where he's kind of labeling him and gunny being probably one of the best quarterbacks in OSU history

[00:05:33] Was labeling Spencer as the best quarterback in Oklahoma State history and now No need no need for the guy anymore So my question is there's something that I've noticed kind of in the last little bit is what is

[00:05:50] What's the deal with Casey none offensive coordinator it appears I've been seeing stuff about there's a lot of Well, there's been an awful lot of people talking about abusive behavior in the we in the meeting room on the practice field things like that and

[00:06:07] And it appears that he has something to do with this mass exodus from that room in particular Or maybe even just entirely on offense. Why is there no movement there? That is that is the million dollar question that everybody in still order wants to know as well

[00:06:25] We just had our worst year since 2005 and we have done Nothing as far as movement goes now as far as the players leaving You hit on Spencer Sanders, but you know we've talked about that before you could just kind of feel that right?

[00:06:38] That was like that divorce. That's just that was just hanging on at the very end It was an amicable split there at the end now why gunny flipped and turned like he did I think that's pretty pretty clear gunny is

[00:06:52] He's a stubborn dude man, right and sometimes they all are And it can be a benefit right right sometimes help you in your ascension But sometimes Jesus Mary and Joseph you just want to stop beating your head against the wall, right?

[00:07:06] Because not only do we not get any information, right? Now and I saw you recently Now there's the the narrative police that want to make sure that the information that gets out of still water

[00:07:20] It's like we want to keep everything in this little boon pickin's box. You know what I mean? Yeah Mike Boynton he'll talk about injuries. He'll talk about the game. He'll talk about practice

[00:07:30] He'll talk about what went wrong what went right what they need to fix how to fix it John Smith is the same way JC Hoyts is a you know what I mean in Josh holidays actually fairly open about about what's going on

[00:07:41] But not my gunny so not only do we get the mom's the word treatment all the time But then you have this stuff going on and I don't care Who what who what kind of narrative policeman you think you are if you got six seven wide receivers, right?

[00:07:56] And a couple of them were pegged as the absolute future John Paul Richardson Staphon Johnson Jr. And and Taylor Chetron were supposed to be that three-headed monster that carried us for the next three four years

[00:08:09] So I would even I would even bring in Braden Braylon Presley on that as well And this is a guy that went to Tulsa you go from OSU to Tulsa and sorry and not to not to bash

[00:08:20] His brother's dating the OCS daughter and he don't want to stay and it's and it's all on him Right and again, I mean whether he was ready to play as a true freshman or whatever It you know, that's questionable. I can understand that for sure

[00:08:34] But I would say that for everything that they were talking about preseason is that this is a Tyree kill time a kind of player that we can use him at a lot of positions He's gonna help the offense a lot

[00:08:45] Um, and then you lose him to Tulsa, you know, that just seems odd to me I mean And why would he want to leave if there's something if there's not something going on that?

[00:08:56] Why would you take and go to Tulsa? It just doesn't make any sense agreed man agreed and You know that there's other rumblings going right and that's the hard part right because of how difficult Gundy is with media right you're not a lot asking legitimate question

[00:09:11] And if you do ask him a legitimate question, you get chastised for it Right and which we talked about this a little bit off of air, but let's just go back

[00:09:20] I mean if you go back one year one year from from right now even you know you guys as and when I say you guys I mean Oklahoma State fans are Well, there's a little disappointment there because you missed that playoff by quote inches, right?

[00:09:37] But in truth of it and you know and as an Oklahoma fan I have my my beliefs about that too is you didn't lose by inches You lost by four interceptions in the championship game to a team that you blew out in the regular season

[00:09:50] So, you know, it seemed weird to me any in any event But that being said you have the better part of that team is coming back for this season They start off. What was it four five and oh before before losing?

[00:10:05] And then you lose a 17 point lead on the road to TCU Kind of you know, we've said on on our shows that that was really the game that sent TCU moving You know game that send us backwards. Correct

[00:10:21] See that the locker room just kind of changed a little bit right there Well, listen, that was when you started hearing those rumblings about when you hear it

[00:10:29] You know, he comes out after the game coach gun. He comes out after the game is well that one won this fun It's last few you know No, really yeah, it was real home no biggie

[00:10:42] Except that you're hearing from out of the locker room that there was a lot of pissed off players You know about the fact that they lost more than pissed off. I would say it's

[00:10:53] I don't know disappointment maybe right because I think we talked about it whenever I had you on my show Let's just face it guys gun these legend He'll get the statue the whole nine yards, but dudes want to play for somebody like a sunny Dyches

[00:11:07] Dudes want to play for somebody that they want to run through a preaching toughness and they want to like you're gonna run through a brick wall for them as well Sure And unfortunately, we're not getting that and again for if you know, you have narrative police

[00:11:21] You cannot continue to keep narratives inside Boone picking stadium and expect any kind of growth, right? We have some issues that instead of talking about or fixing we try to kind of you know Keep compartmentalized and then we wonder why we always have the number 40 recruiting class

[00:11:37] Well, and and we're gonna get into some of this in just a second But my guess my question was starting off with this whole deal a year ago Here you are. You're this close to getting to that college football playoff

[00:11:49] You know, you could have been that team to get there and Then a year later it's seven and six. It's a mass exodus of players and I gotta tell you With all these guys that are leaving and you've got the right as of right now

[00:12:04] It's the number 67 recruiting class in the country I know you've done really well through the transfer portal in certain spots, but she lost the starting quarterback

[00:12:13] It does not look to me like any of the guys that are in the room are ready to be your starting caliber quarterback I know the new who's the new guy you just brought Alan Bowman Bowman Maybe the freshman attack and then okay

[00:12:27] And maybe he is but he didn't do anything his next season at Tech And that could be the new coaching staff differences in philosophy. Who knows, you know what I mean? And maybe he'll be ready to rock and roll

[00:12:38] Mm-hmm. The point is is he's definitely not gonna be Spencer Sanders, right? And even if he is who the hell do you got to throw to you know You're losing all these guys you may still have the other Presley kid

[00:12:50] There are some other kids. I know that you're bringing in but if you're losing this many guys that are starting caliber And you're not able to replace all of them Or is there any chance or anything better than middle of the road and if that is the case

[00:13:06] How long do you continue? If you're an Oklahoma State fan or Definitely a member of the you know of the of the people that make choices for Oklahoma State How long do you continue allowing this man to have this? Revolving eight million dollar a year deal

[00:13:29] Well torpedo the program and I mean that's really what it is this torpedo in this program that one That one seems to be Recently managed a little bit differently, so I'm hearing that the AD

[00:13:46] Has kind of put some put some constraints on gunny this season and gonna eat kind of on a 12 month Yeah, gunny's got 12 months to figure some stuff out supposedly now

[00:13:56] And you know you just heard that we got through the final the release of all the boon pickings money That you left us in as well. It just got released last week So from a financial perspective, we're fine in I'll purse first perspective

[00:14:08] We're fine it appears as though if if we do the same old same old 12 months from now Chad Weiberg is willing to potentially stir the hornet's nest which is it which is obviously a very very good thing

[00:14:18] But that's the thing man. It's like I think all of us would like to see gunny be successful But wouldn't of course personal thing against gunny Well, the guy listen how can he when he played for your program? You know, he was one of the best

[00:14:33] Probably the best quarterback in OSU history. Yeah, you know, he just he treats us like we don't we're not smart enough to know What's going on so we don't need to know what's going on and go look at the trophy case

[00:14:45] You can't be the greatest of all time and have one trophy Yeah, and that yeah one conference championship three wins in Bedlam and and I'll tell you that I believe that the whole not playing bedlam thing anymore

[00:15:02] That's not serving the the that is not serving Oklahoma State and let me just and the reason why I'll say that is Because I feel like if anything if you get better as a program It's because of competing with the best programs

[00:15:18] Oklahoma and Texas are about to be out, right? But you can't tell me that it would it's not gonna be better for you as a program To have to play to have to play these guys every year and prepare yourself in a better way

[00:15:31] Yeah, I'm actually in the minority there I would actually I would prefer to continue continue and here's the deal look at a lot of these these these rivalries They come back, right? We'll be having some more bedlam's I would say in the next eight to ten years

[00:15:45] But you know the the scheduling thing when you're booked up for because we're booked up through 2028 We have two open years but those two open years are both Um

[00:15:56] What you tentatively scheduled to be Tulsa to roll in right so yes, we could remove Tulsa off those two dates and make something work It's very possible. We could do that why we don't do that I don't know but I would say after this you know this

[00:16:09] So the sake of money would figure that they would want to do it You know what I mean if we don't renew the rivalry in the next nine years I would I would be surprised and disappointed right now in any event. I guess

[00:16:22] The the main question would be what is the deal with case you done? Is this do you feel like this is there's a lot of smoke there?

[00:16:28] Is there fire? Is this a real problem and why is he not making the air pulling this, you know pulling the plug on it? I love that you said that Okay, so There they're typically yes They're there is gonna be smokelers fire

[00:16:43] But I just found out two days ago and I really I didn't know this I should have known But I just found out that two days ago if I don't Talk to Gundy directly then all of this stuff is not true but but

[00:16:59] So I have to text Gundy and hopefully you know he texts me back. I'm being I'm being sarcastic But yeah, oh, yeah, I bet he's all over Tell me that why that you didn't interview Gundy about this what no no I didn't because Gundy doesn't do interviews

[00:17:15] Gunny doesn't ask questions or answer questions. So you're right. I haven't talked to Gundy and how dare you ask anything about his Players and I've had parents on and we've had people on spaces. This is this is not new right, there's been some

[00:17:33] old-school issues with Casey Dunn in the locker room the last couple years I guess and Instead of again instead of addressing it and fixing it and doing something about it so we can you know up our recruiting

[00:17:46] We would rather kind of keep it on the on the down low and I'm getting trashed because it is what it is That's all somebody say tell you that he's been the best recruiter on the staff for for however many years And I'm thinking right well

[00:18:01] What is that if he's the best one on the staff and they and they Consistently rank in the 40s and this year right now. They're at 67. Yeah, who the hell cares if he's the best one They suck at it, you know, it doesn't make sense. Yeah

[00:18:15] Again, man, there's some headscratchers of a gun to you which again to me Which is why 2023 is the biggest season of his career. He's playing he's coaching for his job

[00:18:25] And to me that's the crux of the situation really if he knows that you obviously things aren't great, right? There's the this is the largest percentage of the fan base that's ever been like well Is it look at TCU? Look at Gary Patterson? Is it time? Right?

[00:18:42] You're you're finally having that conversation at least take place and instead of Making changes and making announcements and stopping the bleeding, right? The only thing we've done is slap a couple band-aids on a bullet hole

[00:18:55] Whenever you consider that we brought in Alan Bowman and we also brought in a six five two hundred ten pound wide receiver Namely on Johnson the third so we're we're plugging some holes. Yes, but it's like everything else We're not talking about we're pretending it's not there, right?

[00:19:13] In case you done still there dickies still there mac and you still there retates still there Everybody that was directly responsible for this seven and six Dumpster fire with dental season, right? You know there

[00:19:26] Right in the and that's in some of the things that you're hearing out of these recruits that only they're leaving, right? You know and you know, you know, we don't have to bring up trace forward so much

[00:19:36] But I will say this like when it comes to Dominic Richardson Why why Baylor over OSU and he said what does he say family atmosphere? That used to be what they said about Oklahoma State, right?

[00:19:50] Family atmosphere. Where is that? I mean and that's where I feel like when you brought up, you know Patterson just now His it had run its course there they had done all they were gonna do under Gary, right? He was getting to where he felt or

[00:20:06] It was clear that he he felt like he was untouchable They could get away with doing whatever and and however little needed to be done and then you know Finally, I mean after the second or third real stupid thing that was going on between them and SMU

[00:20:25] You know, they let him go And I and I feel like Sonny Dyches was a great move on their part Yeah, you know particularly you kind of take advantage of the fact that you were left a really good defense

[00:20:36] Bringing a little offense and let's run with them. Let's see what they can do now whether what TCU does from here on out I don't know what I would tell you is is that with this with the big 12 looking the way that it looks moving forward

[00:20:49] Without Texas without Oklahoma You as a program if you're Oklahoma State and you as a program if you're Baylor You don't have a lot of movement to hurry up and get to the front

[00:21:01] It because you could very easily go back to the middle and the bottom of the pack. Yeah, because UCF has the largest Well, they have the largest they have the largest Alumni based in the country

[00:21:13] They have the largest enrollment in the country and they are recruiting the hell out of Florida And now they're getting a footprint in Texas too because of the fact they're coming to the big 12. Yeah, right? So if you think these guys are no or nothing, you're crazy

[00:21:27] I'm not positive that I think a whole lot of Houston right now because I feel like Holger soon quite similarly to gun to Gundy Things that you know that whole thing earlier this season where he said none of this is on me

[00:21:42] When they've got a culture issue in the locker room as well I don't think that he's standing on very on very solid footing I think he is and I think he ran away from West Virginia and it looked it didn't look good to me

[00:21:59] The way that he ran off for West Virginia for quote greener pastures, right? That may not be greener It was an odd move. It was a real weird. Yeah. Yeah

[00:22:08] And so but in a lot of that same kind of deal about I mean look at what's happened with them since then You know, it's easy to sit here and blame their their new coach, you know

[00:22:18] Which Neil's been there what this is a fourth season or whatever. I'm surprised that Neil yes survive Yeah, and you know, whatever I have to but by all accounts He's the nice guy of the group and so they kind of want to keep him around for whatever reason

[00:22:34] That being said I I feel like This is a time that Oklahoma State should be moving to the forefront of this conference And you know because they are the old guard that's left, right? Correct. Yes. I agree and yet

[00:22:48] You know, you hear things like we're not gonna get a better a better coach than Gundy, you know for eight million dollars I mean we said this on your show, but for eight million dollars

[00:22:58] Somebody I mean you're gonna tell me you can't go and find a Robert trailer That's one back-to-back conference championships at UTSA You can't go get the you know, you know V dumped a royal for whatever stupid reason that they did but

[00:23:12] But that guy's out there and available and I would take him in a heartbeat. You know what I mean? There's a lot of coaches out there. You're gonna tell me. Yeah, they're gonna tell me that you couldn't win and got Luke fickle at some point

[00:23:25] To come from Cincinnati. I have a hard time believing that Well, right, you don't think you don't think somebody like a Todd Moncan Will take eight million dollars Even five. I mean I mean look look beyond Sanders went to Colorado for five million, right? Correct. Yeah You know

[00:23:44] And you're gonna tell me that if if if coach prime wasn't offered that same money To go to Oklahoma State get to compete with Oklahoma and and be a pain in their ass for the next however many years Right right on the recruiting trail and everywhere else

[00:24:01] You don't think that he would have jumped all over that cuz I do I think you would have you know I mean, this is a great position for him at Colorado. I'm just saying oh, I agree

[00:24:09] I agree there's there situationally he could have done some of these kind of same deals, right? Well, you talked earlier, you know, do we still have enough? You know to be to be competitive and I think The answer that question is yes, right?

[00:24:26] Because it's no doubt this was the most talented talented roster we've ever kind of put together and the benefit of having 12 freshmen play over 800 snaps you gotta think that right that's going to equal a Better a better sophomore campaign now

[00:24:40] I would have said with Derek Mason, right and this defense next season We were gonna be very very very very good on defense and very fun to watch nonetheless, right?

[00:24:50] Even if good's not the right word fun to watch is a perfect example would be a kindle Daniels the dude He's a six five two hundred pound monster and you see him fly by people blow up running backs He might he missed the quarterback with the ball

[00:25:06] But he came in so fast and miss so many you know me took out so many dudes You can just see like oh crap. That's that's impressive Right, that's what next season's defense could be from an athletic perspective

[00:25:18] And then with Derek Mason you're like, okay cool. We're gonna lean on the defense well with the Derek Mason thing I because it's it's purportedly a personal issue and has nothing to do with football

[00:25:29] I think right now it's galvanizing some of the defense and you got to think Joe Bob Clements has been there for years Coach Duffy's been there for years coach Hammersmith's been there for years coach Richmond's been there for years

[00:25:42] So it's the same group group of people that had to teach everything to Mason from the Noel system, right? They're all still there so if if it the personal reasons ever come out and then we figure out what what it is then you know, obviously everybody misses

[00:25:56] wishes coach coach Mason well, but I Defense still has the talent and speed. This is easily the fastest defense. We've ever had now What will that all turn out to be we don't know And then ask Oklahoma fans what they think about speedy

[00:26:15] Your thing is to be honest with you venables He prides himself on it being very complex, right? Oh, it's complex 42 new dudes and you're trying to teach all these you know what I mean?

[00:26:28] I just think I think oh you had a lot bit bit off a lot honestly And He could squeeze it all in and then you know You kind of had to tweak some things and then and then it looked a little better there towards the end

[00:26:41] So it did but there were still problems with right. Oh, yeah, you know There was still plenty I think that the main thing was is that nobody thought I think I mean even me included

[00:26:51] There were people that thought that it was gonna be a lot better right away On the defensive side and you kind of discount the fact that there was actually a lot of losses Even on it on the defense. It wasn't good

[00:27:02] There was a bunch of guys not there. So, you know, it was gonna take a defensive recruiting class like what they put together which was you know, I mean I was just in San Antonio at the all-american Bowl and

[00:27:17] All the guys that he brought in you know, McCurry vickers people like that McCurry Nobody threw his way because he was blanketing every receiver. That's not something you've seen six foot one

[00:27:28] You know big cornerbacks with speed and strength that you just haven't seen a whole lot of that in Oklahoma in a long time You've got a bit of those effect. Yeah, and listen and and along that defensive line I think that they'd like to see more defensive tackles

[00:27:44] Coming in and even though he did grab something through the portal But the edge rush guys that are you know that are really starting to look good and as far as depth is concerned there So there's there's reason to have hope there. Yeah, that's where

[00:27:59] The differences is offensively for you guys I wonder that's what you've always kind of been known for is offense and being able to go throw up points So that if your defense isn't

[00:28:10] Isn't top 20 in the country tracking can you still win and with a brand new quarterback and a Lot of a bunch of new receivers and running backs and everything else What can you realistically expect? I mean you said the kind of a make or break season for 2023

[00:28:28] What does it make season? What does that look like? Well, I think I I oh my goodness gracious I'm gonna say it there is absolutely no reason that Oklahoma State University has not ascended to the heights that Anything less than nine wins is an abject failure

[00:28:45] Period. It doesn't matter what the roster is, right? If you're gonna continue to build and build and build we cannot keep having the reload conversation or rebuild conversation We got not having a load conversation And if we're not gonna have that conversation

[00:29:02] What is the point of having all these transfers come in right as I talked about this earlier? If it's not so much about what we've lost in my opinion It's it's about what we will lose next year if this happens again, right?

[00:29:16] You've got calling all over you've got Kendall Daniels. You've got Justin Wright come in you've got Xavier Benson. You've got lyric rolls You've got all of your old linemen back You have some of the meat and taters that you need to be productive

[00:29:30] But if we do this again, all of those guys we just mentioned Probably probably move on right? That's the thing is these guys are stoked for 2023 on defense Clearly the emphasis on offense is not gonna be thrown the ball very much

[00:29:47] We've all you know, we've retained all of our old linemen Allie Gordon leaves to go for a more power oriented system that fits him correct sure and then we lose a bunch of wide receivers And we bring in a bunch of tight ends

[00:30:04] And and and and four or I gotta be able to move the football man You gotta be like the emphasis is going to be on the run game Which is why you're not hearing a panic about all the wide receivers now again

[00:30:14] There's an issue that we need to do resolve inside that locker room at the wide receiver core, right? We know that there is us hiding it and pretending it doesn't happen is so mind-blowingly

[00:30:27] Irritating to me and it's like, you know if you hear directly from some of these these parents and players mouse We have some people that want to pretend that it's not true Like get the hell out of here guys

[00:30:40] We're hurting our university's growth by pretending that we can keep everything in this little bitty baby box I'm not stupid. I know that there's things in the locker room that should never go anywhere because that's where it should stay Right, I played the game. I get it

[00:30:55] And you've seen Michelle I have never nor would never put a kid in a stupid position and ask a stupid question Sure because I'm very well aware that there's some things that you just don't talk about

[00:31:06] Yeah, you're gonna stick him in a position where he's gonna be in trouble with the staff But we also need to be honest because sure we Cannot keep selling people on something if it's not reality because recruits nowadays

[00:31:20] They talk to each other their parents talk to each other They go to seven and seven circuits all across the country and talk to each other I have argued and complained about fans themselves in Twitter and in the Twitter space

[00:31:34] Which is a freaking cesspool man. We've talked about this before But you've got these guys that are tweeting at recruits for not coming and doing this and that and they act like they're helping fellas, you're not

[00:31:49] If I can get on a little baby soapbox real quick it's the Oklahoma State fan we've had to fight for years and years and years to get any Oklahoma State coverage any and then Some of the O State dudes that aren't good at their jobs. Let's be real

[00:32:03] They're putting this box to what they can and cannot ask Gundy No, that's the whole deal after the bowl game was amazing to me that he shuts him down and

[00:32:14] You've been part of what I'm hearing when you say is that the access to Gundy in his program is this anyways? So, you know after that there was no Telling and it seems to me like the guy that asked this question is one of his

[00:32:30] Yes, man type of reporters anyway, so what he's the local Marshall Scott. He's an oaky But yeah, Gundy acted he treated him like an idiot that should have known better to even ask Right. Yeah, and it wasn't even an out-of-bounds question Question it was the arsenal

[00:32:48] Answered or passed it off for later. Yeah, we're taking a look I mean, that's what you would have expected That's what you would have expected was for him to say look

[00:32:57] We hadn't made any decisions on that yet. We're gonna evaluate the season and we're gonna make some choices on that because Already and the other reason that it was a fair question to ask is that you are hemorrhaging football players

[00:33:11] You know you you didn't even have your starting quarterback to play Against a dumpster fire of a football team as well in Wisconsin who they can't beat anybody in the crappy-ass big

[00:33:23] Tian all year, but I mean they literally finished better than two teams in the worst division in college football Great the big ten West They're well, obviously. I'm far more optimistic That you but this I watch oh she players all day every day, right?

[00:33:40] This is right right no, but what I'm getting out is that there was a legitimate question Yes, they're gonna be some movement in your in your coaching staff so that we don't see this next year

[00:33:52] Bro, and you know we see them return to what they are and you stop the bleeding here You know very and he calls the guy and asked and threatens to take away his access to the program all together

[00:34:02] And I fired I've been told he's taken that dude's access previously and yeah Yeah, this is this is again man. This is I'm fighting an uphill battle evidently and

[00:34:16] It's it's it's sad to be honest with you instead of us trying to get Oklahoma State out to the masses We would rather keep it constrained Because we're trying to set a narrative I don't care if you're trying to set a narrative your recruiting class

[00:34:30] You're wasting your time if you're if narratives need to be set then you're doing something wrong And that's the way that I would feel about I feel like if if your focus is on that

[00:34:43] Instead of improving your program and particularly right now when you have an opportunity to kind of move forward Yeah, you know and and say what you want about Texas in Oklahoma blah blah blah blah blah. I don't care about that

[00:34:53] That's not even what I'm talking about. They're gone So come forward take your rightful spot if you're Oklahoma State because that should be your rightful spot now You are the old garden left You know

[00:35:08] To UCF and BYU in these guys because that's what looks like it's gonna happen with it getting better We don't have we don't have I Don't think we have a lot of room for air

[00:35:20] We do still have the consistency in the money and the facilities to stay at the time How long though how long are they gonna do that if they're if they're middle of the road seven wins six wins

[00:35:31] Whatever which is why next year next year's it to me. It's banger bust if we don't win at least nine ten games I don't care how it happens. What happened who happened to who we've got to move on One more question before before I let you go

[00:35:46] You brought this up off of air earlier. Kel Gundy. What's up with that? I don't know man. I've been hearing this is basically a done deal That the ink is darn near dried as of like last week

[00:35:59] So why why we're not we're not making this announcement. I would have announced that pretty loudly I agree bro. I agree because he's a recruiting genius Oklahoma that has a better grasp on recruiting than kail gundy. No bar. Nobody at any college anywhere

[00:36:15] Yeah, there's one guy that can say I recruited joe mix and I recruited adrian peterson. I recruited dd westbrook I recruited, you know cd land one guy You know, I'm here and he's gonna be obviously uh heavily involved in some of the quarterback stuff

[00:36:30] Which will be something that's a little bit new for him. He's a quarterback, man. Yeah, he was a quarterback From a recruiting perspective alone. Yeah, no, you're right. Like I don't understand how we have a an arterial bleed and we just instead of

[00:36:44] Discussing anything we just put a big old muzzle on it This is why I was asking you is it to me that doesn't seem like real I can't imagine that you would not Unless you're trying to insulate

[00:36:57] You know that you don't want to make that announcement yet because then their expectation level for recruiting goes up It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense to me Brother man, if there's one thing we can agree on

[00:37:11] Undy's decision-making process and what he tells us for the last 18 years It's always like wait. I'm sorry. What say that again. Yeah Well, cody, I appreciate you coming on and you know to not get you any more trouble

[00:37:26] We're gonna we're gonna kind of leave it at that that being said what I would tell you is I'm with you on this and I and I I've I've been watching you a lot Fighting the good fight there on twitter, uh, you know

[00:37:39] Don't let them cancel you and continue to do what you're doing And and I and I give you a lot of respect for saying the things that you say it's hard to be

[00:37:47] One the one guy that isn't afraid to say what needs to be said that's on the that is a part of You know the local contingent of guys that are covering the program

[00:37:58] It's hard to be that guy that that's gonna step up and say what needs to be said sometimes But I give you a lot of props for doing it and we we know that

[00:38:07] No matter what we'll keep we got you we got your back here and we will Continue to uh to have you on as much as you'll come on so I appreciate you I've no your intro but get your intro your new intro is pretty legit. I like that

[00:38:21] Hey, thanks, man. Appreciate that now. Listen guys So anybody you can find him at all day Oh state right all day old state on twitter tell us where else to find you so that we can uh continue to bump up your

[00:38:36] Yeah, that's it. Uh, I just do twitter really I have facebook but it's it's oh Yeah, it's oh state all no, it's all whatever it's and then the locked on network, of course, correct Yes, yes locked on oklahoma state. I mean you can find me there um

[00:38:52] And uh, yeah, I have an instagram, but you know, I just basically twitter. I'm not a big social media fella Yeah, I mean either but that's where I was just make sure that you listen to his show

[00:39:02] He's on daily on locked on oklahoma state and you can find that on all your podcasting platforms as well all day oh state on twitter and

[00:39:12] Folks make sure that you hit the like and subscribe button. Let us know what you think in the comments about this as well We're not this isn't just a gundy bashing session. We want to know how do you get oklahoma state better?

[00:39:23] Uh, you know what what you know, obviously, you know gundy has plenty to answer for but yes, how do you For how do you see this getting better if you're an oklahoma state fan? What needs to happen? Let us know in the comments

[00:39:37] We'll continue talking about that as time goes on kody again. Thanks a lot for coming into the show Folks we will see you on the next